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Andre Holland is a true star in the making. Holland’s first crucial film role came in Spike Lee’s “Miracle at St. Anna,” before he spent some time as a series regular in two network comedies (“Friends With Benefits” and “1600 Penn”). Over the past two years, Holland has more than proven himself as a dynamic screen presence and versatile thespian with key parts in “42,” “Selma,” and of course, “The Knick.”
As Dr. Algernon Edwards, an African-American surgeon trying to break down barriers (by doing his job) in an openly racist 1900s hospital, Holland was given layer upon layer of mental and physical challenges, all during a surprising and speedy shoot run by the intuitive Steven Soderbergh. Holland not only met each test of character (so to speak), but blew past them to become a fan favorite, critical darling and standout presence among an excellent ensemble. Below, Holland discusses his first meeting with Soderbergh about the role, how his own experiences have added to his investment in the character, and his goals for Algernon in Season 2.
Your two previous TV series were comedies. Was it hard for you to break into drama, even with dramatic training?
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And also, I loved the way the script dealt with racism and didn’t shy away from the realities from what it would have been like to be a black surgeon at that time. At the same time, it didn’t try to turn him into an entirely noble character. He’s a complicated guy who also has a dark side. I just loved that it dealt with all of that, and treated him like a real, full person.
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For example, my father often talked to me about being overlooked for jobs in his own career. I’ve seen first-hand the effect that it had on his life. That for me really felt true. It really felt like, “Yeah, man, I want to say these words because these are words that I feel like are in my heart. What I want to say and also don’t feel that I have license to.” When I think of what my father supposedly wanted to say and his father before him, and so on and so forth down the line, again, that scene gave me a real opportunity to be a witness for the experiences of so many other people who have come before me, and who are walking alongside me right now. So I think that’s the one I would point to. It’s the one I was most excited about when I first read it.
I think that shows like “The Knick” remind us that this time period, these things, the ugliness that happened, are a part of our heritage as Americans. I think that we all have to take a deep, hard look at it in order for us to find a way forward. It can’t be something that I, Andre, have to deal with on my own, in silence. The fact that we’re looking at this period, in 1900, and these things are happening in the world today; I think it’s a great reminder to everybody, not just African Americans but to everybody, that hey, this is where we come from. We need to all acknowledge that and learn from it. Again, it’s a love-hate thing, and I love that it’s there because it feels like we’re really doing important work with the show, but also you hate that we have so far still to go.
And also, I read a lot of poetry and literature from that time period, particularly by black authors. W.E.B. DuBois really spoke to me. I carried around his book “Souls of Black Folk” for quite some time. He talks a lot about this idea of “double consciousness” of living, sharing between two worlds — a particular phenomenon that African American people feel — not quite fitting into one place or another and having to be able to navigate between the two worlds. That’s something that I think was inspiring for me to get a handle on the character; something I was very familiar with.
So there was quite a lot of that. And then the last element was the actual medical part. We spent a few weeks with a man named Dr. Burns, who’s our medical consultant on the show. We did his version of medical school. We learned to make incisions, and any surgery that we were doing he took us through it step-by-step and showed us photos and old instruments they would have actually used; just made sure of all those details [were right]. And that was probably the most challenging part, just making sure that all of the technical bits were right while also talking and acting. There’s a lot to juggle, but we had great support in terms of making sure that all of our choices were accurate.
But then also, it’s true that I don’t have an enormous amount of experience behind the camera. So I don’t have a ton to compare to. But the pace that he works at and the choices that he makes with the camera are really incredible. I feel like everybody is a masterclass for me. I mean, I go home and make notes to myself — “How’d he do that?” — and I’ll try to figure it out. Because one day, I’ll make my own films, so I try to figure out: “Hey, how did he come up with that story? What is it that led him to that place, and what is the effect of doing it that way versus this way?” So beyond just getting to play a wonderful character, I really feel like I’m being taken through a film school of sorts.
“The Knick” returns for Season 2 in October. Stream Season 1 on MAX GO.
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